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Wednesday, October 15, 2008
 
Abalieno on scenarios

It is not unusual for me to get into an argument with some other blogger about some difference of opinion on MMORPGs. What *is* unusual is another blogger complaining about me in spite of me 100% agreeing with him. Abalieno of The Cesspit has a strong opinion about WAR scenarios. He says "I enjoy scenarios to an extent, but when I'm doing JUST them they get incredibly boring and dull. A chore." That is EXACTLY what I think, and I've been writing about the issue repeatedly in the last days. Scenarios in WAR give the most xp, so everyone just grinds those instanced scenarios, so nobody is left to do public quests and open world RvR.

I proposed nerfing scenarios to give only half the xp, I proposed an automated system to diminish rewards when everyone is doing the same. And what do I get? Abalieno commenting on Broken Toys "Weird that you didn’t comment at all about population issues with PQs and Open RvR. Or maybe you thought it was covered enough everywhere else. Also, I find amusing how Tobold avoids to write those opinions on his popular blog." Can't the guy at least read my blog before complaining about me not writing about some issue? I'm sure he could have found an issue on which we actually disagree and complain about that. But saying that I avoid writing something I've been in reality bitching about all week feels really weird. Quote me from last Friday "As I said, the occasional PvP scenario is fun, but doing the same scenario ten times in a row isn't what I want." I'm with you on this one, Abalieno!
Comments:
Don't feed the Trolls. Actually that's really good advice given their abundance in Troll Country ;).

Scenarios are an unfortunate problem with grinding them out, but I also believe the open RvR lakes need improvement in and of themselves to a degree. Their fun-factor can be quite disparate across Zones.

I do agree Scenarios need a hefty nerf to push more people to PQs and RvR - those of use who can't take Scenarios 24/7 suffer the consequences.
 
I love scenarios but I agree that not matter how much I enjoy them individually, doing the same ones again and again becomes incredibly boring.

I would happily take a reduction in scenario xp for and a greater increase in open rvr rewards, to encourage diversity if nothing else.

Every person I have talked to about the game I have enthused about how you can level in so many different ways but increasingly the less efficient options are dropping away leaving the same grind that most other mmos employ.
 
"Scenarios in WAR give the most xp, so everyone just grinds those instanced scenarios, so nobody is left to do public quests and open world RvR."

This is a problem with the players. What a great MMO world we would live in if they did what was fun, not what was the quickest. Ok, it is also a MMO design problem as there is so much end game focus.
 
That's funny. Guess he was too lazy to read your blog.

Reminds me of a time when two friends of mine (who are brothers) were arguing over something but were essentially saying the exact same thing. Got so heated that the one who was driving got pulled over by a cop for speeding. After the cop left, I pointed out that they were actually not disagreeing...
 
I love scenarios as well, but they're not why I bought WAR. I bought it for the open RvR.

Now on Averheim, we haven't run into much trouble getting a fight. But I can imagine it's a bigger problem elsewhere.

I've made a point to avoid scenarios except when I'm near leveling. I play PvE, PQs, and Open RvR during the early part of each level and use scenarios only once or twice a level.

It's sad that I have to do this, because it's basically me saying, "No! Bad Bildo! Don't go where the shinys are just because they're there! You're missing 90% of the game!"

I shouldn't feel compelled to do scenarios so much, but because it's such easy experience and renown, I do. I avoid them intentionally, and not because I don't find them fun.

I'm sure I'm among the minority who does this.
 
Jobildo reminded me of another problem with scenarios (and WoW's PvP, too). Max level in a bracket is much more powerful than mid to low levels in a bracket.

Tobold, you already mentioned this with mounts, but it's just as bad if you don't have certain powers that you'll get in the next 5 levels. And getting adjusted to level ?8 (e.g. 8, 18, 28) isn't enough to even it out.
 
I happen to read Tobold's blog and my coment on Lum's blog was on what Lum wrote.

The comment about Tobold was specific to the last line, in fact I wrote "also" as a way to separate the argument, and that comment was NOT about something Tobold wrote here and that I was commenting on Lum's blog, but for something he wrote over there.
 
Tobold, consider it a compliment that you're famous enough to get misquoted. Any more fame, and political candidates will start airing TV attack ads on you.
 
WOW - how completely off-base can one get, this post almost qualifies you as a troll. I actually went to read the comment to which you refer and it has nothing to do do with scenarios.

Abalieno's comment "Weird that you didn’t comment at all about population issues with PQs and Open RvR. Or maybe you thought it was covered enough everywhere else." wasn't even directed to you at all - he was commenting on the Broken Toys piece.

His comment "Also, I find amusing how Tobold avoids to write those opinions on his popular blog." was obviously about your comment on the Broken Toys blog: (snip)"Why not save several million dollars, let people start directly at level 40, and scratch tiers 1, 2, and 3, if they are only used for a few weeks out of a multi-year lifecycle anyway?"

Yes, you and Abalieno agree on scenarios. No, he did not complain about you or you position on scenarios. He merely pointed out a difference in how you express yourself on you blog and in comments on other blogs.

Funny that your next piece is entitled "Is discussion a dying art?" Maybe you should look in the mirror friend. ;-)

Skavvy
 
Obviously? Sorry, but in the English language, if I say "I think A. Also I think B", the more obvious conclusion is that B relates to A. Of course I got that his first comment was to Scott, but it appeared as if the second comment was about me on the same subject, not on a completely different comment.

And as your post starts with calling me a troll, and ends with a personal attack, I don't think it is a good example of how to discuss better.
 
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