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Tuesday, September 27, 2005
 
Democracy against capitalism

One of my rare excursions from games blog to political blog, in this case caused by me reading too many anglo-saxon newspapers and magazines.

If you read the more serious British and US newspapers for a while, you will find two major themes when reporting on world events: A) Many corners of the world don't have enough democracy. B) Many democratically elected governments have problems moving their countries towards a more anglo-saxon economic model, against the protest of their population. After hearing these two things often enough, I wonder why nobody ever notices the conflict between these two notions. What if the population does not want to have a "capitalism pure" economic model? When democracy does not equal capitalism, and you have to decide which one of the two you want, what is the higher value?

In my opinion, democracy is more important than capitalism. What the majority of people in many European, South American, or Asian countries want is "capitalism light", in which the harsher sides of capitalismn are softened by safety nets and welfare. Many of the reforms which stall in these countries are designed to take away those safety nets, to make the economies more "competitive". And if people go on the street to stop those reforms, or vote for parties that oppose them, that is democracy in action, a good thing. Economists can calculate how much a reform would add to the GDP of a country, but that doesn't automatically make that reform the best possible option.

The problem with pure capitalism is that while it maximizes productivity and GDP, the added wealth is not necessarily well distributed. People generally support the move from autocratic economic systems to more capitalist systems, but not all the way to pure capitalism. You only need to look at the USA, one of the most capitalist nations on earth (but still not pure), to see the possible disadvantages of going too far in that direction. For example 0.5% of U.S. residents (including 5% of all U.S. resident black males) are in prison, while European countries with a lot more welfare only lock up less than 0.1%. There is also a lot more poverty clearly visible in the U.S. than in many European countries, in spite of the GDP per person being higher in the USA. The recent hurricane Katrina natural disaster got a lot of this poverty in front of TV cameras, but usually Americans don't talk about the downsides of their economic model. The typical European welfare state might be less productive, but there are a lot less people left behind, to a life of poverty or crime.

I don't claim to know which degree of capitalism is the ideal one. But I believe in democracy, so I believe that voters have a right to decide the details of that. And the best compromise might not be the same for every country. It is not right for the press of one country to complain about the democratic decisions of another country, even if that democratic decision was to stop a reform to dismantle the welfare state.
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The challenge is ensuring competent distribution of wealth. Hurricane Katrina exposed this lack in America, in a very harsh way.

But I also question the democracy we truly have in America. We talk about other countries all the time, condemning this and that. Meanwhile, we've got a lot of current issues with our brand of democracy, to a point where every comment the administration makes about places in the Middle East and Africa could actually be made about *us*.

But it's easier to point the finger outward while everyone else just hopes to survive until this executive team can get replaced.

And that's the biggest problem. Democracy is a great ideal, but within a few generations, and with enough people, complacency and collective disenchantment can elevate almost *anyone* to power, true agendas aside.
 
I typed a big long reply, but I've dumped it :P

http://tiadaily.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026

Read that article... best thing you can do to understand the welfare state.

"What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. And they don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men."
 
Pretty extreme. But even if you believe all of that, the question remains what to do about the people without values. Or do you doubt that there are people who are too stupid, too weak, too irresponsible to overcome difficulties?

The welfare state is based on the idea that it would be better to house them, feed them, give them a TV, and thus keep them away from the street and from crime. The alternative is to let them fight for themselves, respond to the crime that is inevitably evolving from that by locking the people up, and ending up with human and dollar cost of crime, crime prevention, and jailing which are higher than the cost of welfare.

But whether you are for or against welfare is not even the question of my article. The question is whether We, The People, in a democratic process in a free country have the right to decide for one or the other. And whether some unelected journalist has the right to claim that the democratic decision for welfare is wrong. If there was somebody who knew better than the population what was good for them, then why not make that person dictator, and forget about all that democracy thing? I think history has shown that democratic decisions are better in the long run. The will of the people is a higher good than whatever economic model you prefer.
 
Welfare is not a product of democracy is what I was getting at. Its a poltical trick to get votes.

"Hey we'll help you even though you won't help yourself if you vote for us." - Some politician

A true democracy would never vote to help those that will not help themselves.
 
You wouldn't help the helpless? I begin to understand where you got the "Heartless" name from. People might be unable to help themselves for a lot of reasons, including age or illness, which can hit anyone of us. And even if being unable to help yourself is just a character flaw for some people, that doesn't mean you can leave those people to drown and starve (and then complain if they help themselves to the content of an abandoned food store instead of starving).

People vote for welfare for lots of reasons. Some are weak themselves and are effectively voting to get help. Some are normal working class people, but fear that if they lose their job or get ill, they might need help. Some are strong, but they vote for welfare either out of compassion, or because they fear that the underpriviledged will become criminal if left to fend for themselves. In Europe the welfare system is the democratic choice of the majority. But even in the US a democratic choice for a minimum degree of welfare and health care for the elderly has been taken. Was that not truly democratic?
 
Sounds like heartless is refering to the people that abuse the welfare state. I know in england it is a big problem, and when I was at school I would hear girls talking about getting pregnant so they could get a house of their own paid for by the government, and young guys with no intention whatsoever of getting a job.

Have you ever heard the phrase "Innactivity breeds lazyness"? I think a problem is that once someone is recieving welfare it is all too easy to keep recieving and not find a job that they can do.
 
I totally agree, it is hard to separate the people that need help from those that just abuse the system. But stopping all welfare can't be the solution. There are *some* people that are really unable to fend for themselves, and you can't just let them starve.

Again, there is no perfect solution. And every democratic state must be left free to chose the solution that fits him best. If the USA prefers to lock up over 2 million people in jail instead of giving welfare, that is their valid democratic choice as well.
 
johnny got it...

I was not saying not to help the helpless. If you were born with a deformaty that prevents you from working... then society has the obligation to support you. That actually is democracy at its finest.

If you are lazy and don't care to help yourself... then society shouldn't help you. When society votes in a government that puts in place a welfare system where it basically supports your lazy ass is when its a problem. Then you start to believe that the government "owes" you things... and that is where the situation in New Orleans went really bad.

Like the article I linked... the social structure fell apart because these people couldn't fend for themselves without uncle sam feeding their wallets. They don't care about shit because uncle same has taken care of them for too long. They valued nothing other than the material goods they were looting. The article describes my point of view perfectly and is the reason I hate welfare and those that abuse it... and I grew up with very poor friends and knew plenty on welfare.

No doubt government at the state and local level failed horribly in getting some people out... but that is another debate.

And the name Heartless comes from the disney/sony game Kingdom Hearts :P That was the name of the enemies in game. I was soooo in love with that game at one point :)
 
I don't know how it is in other countries here but you can register as disabled if you are an alcoholic. It's not as if governments make it hard for people, all you have to ask yourself is, do I want to work or not, and you can usually find one excuse or another to abuse the system.
 
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