Tobold's Blog
Monday, September 04, 2006
 
Hard drive problems

I'm having problems with my computer. When I start up my Dell desktop PC, sometimes Windows doesn't boot up. I do get the BIOS messages, but then the computer is blocked on a black screen with just a blinking underscore cursor in the upper left corner. Turning the PC off and on again two or three times then finally results in Windows XP booting from the hard disk. Afterwards the computer works fine. A bit like an old car that has problems starting, only that the Dell is just over a year old.

As the error occurs before Windows even boots, and before data are being read from the hard drive, I'm pretty sure that the problem is not a virus or similar software failure. Something could be wrong with the BIOS, but I haven't modified that for a long time, and besides changing the boot order I wouldn't know what settings to change there. I fear that the problem is with the hard drive not starting for some reason, some hardware problem with it.

Another possibility would be that the error occurs because I changed my keyboard. The old keyboard went into the keyboard socket. The new keyboard goes into the USB socket. Maybe not connecting a keyboard to the keyboard socket causes some problems, I know that old PCs wouldn't start without a keyboard connected. But then you'd get a keyboard error message, and I don't have that.

Now I am a bit at a loss what to do. I only took a one-year guarantee for the Dell, which is just expired, no wonder the PC breaks down now. :) Anyway, I wouldn't want to have Dell repair it, because they would need to send UPS to get the machine, then it would be away for an unspecified time, and then I'd need to stay home again when UPS brings the machine back. And all that costs far too much money, especially since they are likely to just replace the hard drive. I could just as well buy a new hard drive and install it myself for half the money and a fraction of the time. Only if it then turns out that it isn't a hardware failure of the hard drive, but some other problem, I spent the money for nothing.

I already did one sensible thing, made a backup of my data to DVD. I also ran Checkdsk on the hard drive, but didn't find any errors. I tried to find people with similar problems on Google, but didn't find anything, because there is no error message, and the problem is difficult to describe. I could go to a local repair shop, but the error only occurs occasionally. Nothing worse than trying to show an error to a repair guy and the computer works perfectly at his place. Any idea what I could do to better diagnose the problem?
Comments:
S-Ata drive?

check the S-Ata Cables, as they are easy to loosen.

Savrukk
 
It might be trying to boot from a CD/DVD drive or an External Hard Drive Kai ?

That happened to me a few times, and you get no message, exactly as you described.

Yours friendly

Lunedust
 
The manufacturers often have speciel hd-test programs, which you can download at the respective website. Often it is a floppy or cd from which you have to boot. I have a Maxtor HD so in my case I can use the powerMax Utility.

http://www.maxtor.com/portal/site/Maxtor/menuitem.3c67e325e0a6b1f6294198b091346068/?channelpath=%2Fen_us%2FSupport%2FSoftware+Downloads%2FView+By+Category%2FDesktop+Storage%2FDiamondMax+Family%2FDiagnostics&downloadID=22
 
If you suspect your new keyboard, put your old one back in and see if the error is still there, if no error after a couple of days you can at least rule out the keyboard.
 
It may be that your hard drive needs to "warm-up" before it operates properly. I've read in a magazine (Atomic MPC www.atomicmpc.com.au) that that hard drive heads can stick when the drive is cold. Starting a few times temporarily solves the problem but you will probably have to replace the drive at some stage.

If I were you I would go ahead and buy a new drive and use it as your main drive, then use the old one for some temporary storage or something.
 
Your problem might not have anything to do with the HDD...

A common problem with modern computers is capacitors of the motherboard going bad. At work we've had to replace quite a few motherboards because of this problem...

Check http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=195
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
 
And oh, I forgot to mention, most of those 'capacitor plagued' computers had various boot-up problems among other things...

If your problem indeed isn't a HDD one, another suspect would be the power supply, most often because of dying capacitors (again).

As a rule of thumb, for every three motherboard we have replaced, we have replaced one power supply.

Even so-called premium brands are plagued nowadays, bah :(
 
Could be any one of a number of things.

1. I've seen exactly what you describe happen with bad RAM...

2. ...& with a bad Motherboard (pray your PC is still under warranty)

3. Your HD could have a loose cable.

4. Your HD could be warning you of an imanent failure.

I would very quickly copy ALL of your important files (including the $Wow\Interface\Addons folder and the WTF and WDB folders), your documents, photos and music to CDs or a DVD and gather together all of your product keys. You're going to have to replace something.
 
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