You could use your psychic skills and start hoarding materials for all those people who'll learn Inscripting as soon as they're able.

But yes, getting level 70 alts with differing professions might be the most useful thing to do, unless you're drooling after a Death Knight. If playing your current main turns out to be less enjoyable than expected, you'll have an alt ready and you can do all those quests you skipped with your main.
 

I'm one of the optimists who think that WotLK will be out around the middle of the year. I reckon Blizzard will want to get as close to the one expansion a year promise as they possibly can. I also reckon they'll want to take some of the shine of Warhammer, which is supposed to release by Q2.

I figure they're waiting for EA/Mythic to announce WARs release date, wait for a few weeks, and then set their own date.

On the other hand, they might be adding more to WotLK than they had originally planned. Perhaps due to the poor response to the original announcement. Then it will probably be a late 2008, early 2009 release.

How's that for hedging my bets?
 

Suggestions:

1) Ignore the reward-vs-effort ratio and any speculations on the expansion release date. Carpe diem.

2) Form a regular heroic group with 6-7 ingame friends (no need to be same guild), who plays roughly the same time. Need more than 5 because not all can be online at the same time, or some may need to do other things (quests, alts, pvp etc). I think it is not hard to get to this level of organization. Start tackling the easier heroics available for your group composition, maybe 1-2 times a week, and sometimes go try a harder one that happens to be the heroic daily quest.

3) Try out Arena if you have not done so. I believe you have done BGs, but Arena experience is different.
- If you like it, get more serious at it. Research tactics, gear, maybe do some BGs to gear up, and oh ya... also respec to a spec good for Arena on the day you do Arena, then respec back if needed. For example, the holy/disc priests spec for raid healing is really not so optimal for Arena. Use the dailies gold for respecs :)
- If you dont mind it, do 10 games a week, without all the above effort.
- If you hate it, drop it like a hot potato.

4) Look for a guild just starting out in Kara, and raid at a schedule and pace comfortable for you. Will take some time, but can do 2 and/or 3 meanwhile.

By the way, I think your warrior stats is good enough to start Kara. Just need to bump defense up to 490.
 

Well, this post confirms me something that it's not only wow's to be blamed but you also.

I'm not acting like a fanboy, i'm straight looking at the release of WAR, Age of Conan by myself. I had account in T4C, SWG, EQ2, Dofus, Tabula Rasa. Almost 11 years since my first steps in MMO's.

1. Only finding a group is hard, as many people are now rather doing PvP, because the rewards are better.

Even on my moderate server [Sargeras - EU], it's pretty damn easy for a tank to find a group for the daily heroic, even if he's unguilded. Did you manage to understand why you don't find any group ? Do you precise when you are searching on [3. LookingForGroup] that you are well geared ? Have you ever think of migrating on a well populated server ?

2. Plus the priest has far more raid experience, I know how to raid heal. I just wouldn't want to do it every night, especially not if the raids last into the small hours of the morning.

What do we have to understand there ? You don't have the time allowed to find a raiding guild ? That ain't a Wow specific issue btw. And it's pretty easy with BC to find casual-friendly guild.

3. My holy / discipline priest would be able to do PvP without a change of talent build. But PvP with a healer isn't very interesting. In arenas you are always the first to die, and in battlegrounds healing is a rather thankless occupation.

PvP-specced Disc priests are nowadays perhaps the most difficult thing to kill in this game. And, please don't generalize. PvP healing with my druid is one of the funniest experience that I had in wow, and you could find hell a lot of comment about how healer's role in Pvp could be fun. Just find two good teammates to protect you, and go go BG's.

4. At which point I could probably forget about getting a group for a PvE dungeon or heroic dungeon for my mage, because nobody will go there any more, they'll all be in PvP.

C'mon. This one is wow general chat level.


I appreciate your blog, really. But this bunch of emo make me feel that you don't want to put any effort into wow's content, and it's irrespectful towards your readers.
 

I somewhat agree with Dajay in that you're lowering your writing style to be too dangerous close to that on the blizzard forums...

Sure, life at 70 for casuals ain't that exciting, and an annoying part of that is that to even unlock most of the dailies you need to do lengthy group quest chains, and in retrospect, is probably why my only 70 hasn't been played for weeks at a row...

But there's plenty of stuff to do! level a few more alts to higher levels, at least, high enough to learn max rank of their skills: having your own gatherers may not look interesting but in situations where you need mats unavailable otherwise (some herbs for alchemy for instance), you can simply go gather them yourself. And having your own alchemist means your own pots/elixirs/flasks even if there's none on AH.

Having multiple high level alts of different classes with different professions will help you be more self-sufficient and will also allow you other routes of playing... Even fishing can be fun and relaxing for a change! :)

So, there's plenty left to do in WoW, although there's a large gray area at 70 for casuals that don't want to waste their time on PuGs from Hell and don't want to give up their "freedom" by committing to raid schedules...

In the end, it's a question of how much you are willing to PUT into the game to get something OUT of it. But gear, regardless of how it improves one's character, is NOT *THE* only thing in WoW...
 

he he, reading through your description on things to do in WOW, it just sounds so darn boring :)

My suggestion would be: Play it for fun - or close the account and do something more rewarding in life.

Yes, I know it's a lame comment...
But honestly, I find it hard to understand how this same ol' game can still offer anything remotely worthwhile.

I can understand the lure of ingame socializing and grouping... but the grind? I'm afraid not.
 

Just a side remark, patch 2.4 to be released before WotLK is a content patch which is announced to include solo content and a new 5-man zone.

While I agree there is no new content since the dailies came out for people who can't handle the logistics of heroics and raiding there will be some content for those before WotLK.

In general I still like to level alts, every class does play differently so learning those different aspects (and class specific quests) is actually new content that is accessible to non-raiders.
 

Did you manage to understand why you don't find any group ? Do you precise when you are searching on [3. LookingForGroup] that you are well geared ? Have you ever think of migrating on a well populated server ?

You seem to suggest that my problem is being in a guild. I was talking about lack of guild groups for heroics in guild chat, I wasn't even trying to PUG heroics, which sounds painful if I consider the quality of the PUGs I did for normal dungeons. Being in a guild I like also prevents me from moving to a well-populated server. The server I am on is flagged as "recommended", aka low population, and has a 2:1 Alliance to Horde ratio with me being Horde.

What do we have to understand there ? You don't have the time allowed to find a raiding guild ?

I am in a raiding guild. The problem is, as often and as you noted not WoW specific, Real Life. On weekdays I play from 6 to 10 pm, going to bed early due to having to get up early at 6:30 am next morning. The raids in my guild start at 8 pm. That is a timing problem.

I appreciate your blog, really. But this bunch of emo make me feel that you don't want to put any effort into wow's content, and it's irrespectful towards your readers.

I recently completed a big goal in WoW, six weeks of daily quests to finance an epic flying mount. After finishing one big goal, a period of looking around for the next goal is only natural. If you are such a WoW fanboi that even somebody asking for suggestions about what to do next is already too much criticism for you, then maybe it is you who should stick to the WoW general forums. I don't visit those forums because of people like you, who can't answer a honest question without SirBrucing it and insulting the poster as "emo".
 

My advice:

-Start doing Arena with both of your character. It is the best time/reward there can be. 1 hour per week can yield an epic per month. Although there is no "tanking" armor, I'm pretty sure there is a good one handed sword/axe/mace and a shield. Your holy priest will get into a 5v5 group ez. Your prot tank may have a tuff time. Prot tanks can't dps, but they have great survival and that can be useful in PvP. Plus arena is a lot more fun than BG's.

-Keep your professions up to date and stock materials that should gain you some quick levels once the cap is raised.

-Don't focus on anything in perticular, do what you want to do. For example if you feel the need to keep using your tank because you want better gear, but you really want to play your mage, go play your mage because it won't matter come WotLK.

-Keep leveling your alt, you may like a dps class better at 70, and they would certainly solo up to level 80 a lot quicker than a tank or holy priest...incase you want to roll a deathknight along with everyone else.
 

Isn't there supposed to be a new raid instance coming out before WotLK? Sunwell plateau or something.
I still think that there are still plenty of guilds battling through SSC/BT that don't want a release in the next few months - Q4 is much more likely and I think would be more welcome for the average raiders out there (except for the ultra hardcores who killed Illidan a dozen times already, but hard luck!).
For casual PvEers, there is as ever, only rep/gold/loot grinds to do once you have been at 70 for a while.
If you can't commit to raiding, then I would drop out for a bit and go play some other games.

As for me, my alt has finally reached Outlands (still keep thinking of that Sean Connery film every time I write that), and I'm having fun in Hellfire Pen, whilst my main is pretty much doing dailies/raids and nothing else.
 

Just a correction:
In fact, very nice badge gear was added in patch 2.3, not just PvP gear.
Contrary to popular belief, Blizz has not yet completely abandoned PvE... :)
 

Isn't there supposed to be a new raid instance coming out before WotLK? Sunwell plateau or something.

Good news and bad news. Patch 2.4 will add a complete new outdoor zone with lots of daily quests, and a new 5-man dungeon called Magister's Terrace. I'm looking forward to both of these. The bad news is that the new 25-man raid dungeon, Sunwell Plateau will be "the hardest raid dungeon in the game before WotLK comes out". Which means that I'll be among the 99%+ of the WoW population that will never see the place. It's the new Naxxramas.
 

I read an unofficial review of patch 2.4.

One thing I noticed right away was no mention of Arena or PvP at all, making me wonder if patch 2.4 would include PvE gear upgrades, but no PvP gear upgrades. IIRC, Blizzard has stated that Arena 3 was the last season before Lich King (but in the world of software, everything is subject to change). Looks like 2.4 as marketed right now may be a PvE raid-centric patch in overall scope, unless the new region is somewhat more developed than Skettis and Ogri'la. Like the release of BT (and even ZA) the new raid will be DOA for my guild and circle of friends.

If patch 2.4 goes live in the Feb. '08 time frame as some predict, that would mean that Lich King is probably targeted for June or July '08. And from my software development experience, the safe money would be a slip to a Q4 2008 release date for Lich King. That Nov. '08 prediction is looking pretty good right now; I may need to 'borrow' those dice... :)
 

After a blah raid last night, I'm ready to put the game away for awhile. Burning segments of time doing the same content/bosses/daily quests over and over again for some mundane reward that makes my character better just isn't as appealing as it was the first go around.

I login. I stare at the screen for awhile. I do the Skettis daily. I kill the treants for their herbs while fending off countless warlocks. In raid situations I deal with the same controlling, often annoying people 2 nights a week doing stuff we've already done countless times over only to destroy/shard what drops.

The only saving grace I do see might be Arenas. It seems fun, done with people you prefer to game with, in short spurts. It has the freshness and unpredictability of PvP, rewards, and time-boxed enjoyment.

WoW is a beautiful game experience, painting a wonderful picture for the gamer with it's wonderful graphics, gameplay, challenges. But after staring at the same painting for so long, it's time to look at something else.
 

One thing you might want to consider doing, depending on your attachment to your guild, is transfering to another server in a different time zone. For instance, my guild starts raiding at 4:30 - normally that would be a problem, but for me, that means 6:30, which is perfect for me. Obviously that might not be an option, but it's something to consider.
 

It sounds like Tobold is experiencing the same problem that a lot of people I know are: Unless you Raid nightly, or love pvp *or* leveling alt #112 -- you're better served just taking a break, finding a new game, and waiting for the new content and phat loot when the expansion drops. Why continue to do the same activity you're now less then exicited by?
 

I always feel like this is a completely radical notion but:

Don't do anything you don't enjoy.

Whether your rewards are going to be upstaged in 6 months or 6 days shouldn't really matter - if you're not enjoying yourself, what's the point?


I mean, excluding the fact that you can get temporarily frustrated with a bad run of PvP matches or trying to break through the barrier of learning a new raid boss strat. But if you don't enjoy the activity in *general* (whether leveling, questing, raiding, pvp, crafting, fishing), don't do it.

Do the parts you enjoy. And if there's nothing you do enjoy, what's the point?
 

It sounds like Tobold is experiencing the same problem that a lot of people I know are: Unless you Raid nightly, or love pvp *or* leveling alt #112 -- you're better served just taking a break, finding a new game, and waiting for the new content and phat loot when the expansion drops. Why continue to do the same activity you're now less then exicited by?

Yep. I'm leveling a priest now horde side because I just can't stand to do all the alliance quests again. Tried 5 times but just couldn't get past 30. I see people on High pop servers getting really judgmental and defensive when people complain about grouping, but the fact is people group less in BC than they did before. I remember puttin pugs together with people who were running NAXX for scholomance or Dire Maul pre BC because there was somethign they wanted or they were just bored and tagged along. That almost never happens in BC.

People get thier faction they get thier gear and they shun those old instances like the plague. I think it's because they tied the instances to rep grinds. Not saying the grinds are hard but I think its a psychological issue. People feel forced to do them so once they are done they don't go back.

But anyone who can step back and take a look at the game should be able to see BC is not as friendly to people who play casually. I think they tried but they just missed the mark for the guys in the middle. And the daily quests and stuff like that really don't take the place of fun. Those were just a bone to the raiders.

I'm not sure there is really a solution to this though. The game is getting stale. Nothing really innovative was released with BC it was just more of the same. And since they made the choice to invalidate all the old content the hurry up and solo to end game has hurt the fun of leveling an alt. I've had people laugh at me because I want to waste time running old instances.


I don't know what server you are on Tobold but I will say having tried it both ways. High pop beats low pop any day for someone that likes to group. Low pop servers are Hell for someone that wants to group. the only good thing about a low pop server is you don't have to fight 20 people in the good farming spots.
 

My account goes dormant on January 7th.

Right now I'm in the process of selling all my spellcloth, primals, etc.

If I come back when the next expansion is released those items likely won't be worth as much as they are now.
 

"...Blizzard also made extra sure that there is absolutely no tanking gear to be had as reward for doing PvP..."

Not true. Do regular pvp for 15,000 honor plus some EOTS badges, and you can buy the season 1 gladiator shield. I believe it's currently the second or third best tanking shield in the game.

mm
 

By far the most Emo post you've ever made (

Dude, you've went through this - it's why you have a lifetime subscription to LOTRO. The only fun you'll have in WOW, that matches the reduced effort you are willing to invest, is leveling a new class to 70.
 

Tobold... dude.

As I read this, it sounds actually pretty sad. You're experiencing WoW addiction man! I don't say this in a mean way, in fact, I was in your shoes last spring but I took a deep breath and sold my account on eBay!

Read over everything you wrote and try tell me that you're having any semblance of fun. If you are, you sure didn't write about it here.

You seem to have exhausted your options in WoW until at least the next expansion comes out and you take your tank from 70-80, only to fall into the EXACT same situation.

You clearly define the WoW expansion cycle: 1) Take your maxed out character into the expansion, 2) nullify all the purple gear it took you so long to get by winning green quest gear, 3) hit the level cap, 4) grind your way to the top of the PvE/PvP ladder and win some phat lewt, 5) wait for the next expansion and become depressed that you have to do it ALL OVER AGAIN.

If that's a game you want to play, heck, have fun, but you don't sound like you're having any fun. Take a breather until the expansion... honestly, anything you achieve from now until then will be worthless after 10 days of playing the new expansion.

Try out some new games. Hang out with the friends and family more. It's just sad to waste away in a vicious cycle of redundancy...

Sorry for the brutal honesty, but there you go man...
 

Hmmm...

The best thing to do is quit WoW all together and wait till a better game comes around.
 

Before BC, I had three 60s. Now, a year later, they are levels 69, 63, and 60. I have yet to see any BC endgame content and obviously it's not important to me. I play almost every day, so there's plenty to do. Among the various activities I participate in are PvPing and, interestingly, I much prefer healing in BGs vs. raids. You seem to debunk it, but I wonder if you have really tried it and stuck with it? I get loads of enjoyment from playing an annoying healer in BGs.

Playing styles most certainly determine how one feels about the game. It seems as if you might be playing as a means to an end and have become discouraged upon realizing there is no end. The arguments you pose here are exactly the same as when people were anticipating the BC xpac. Yes, as long as there are xpacs there will always be better gear/items/professions/whatever. Does it mean you stop playing because your current efforts will be rendered useless? For me, the answer is no because there are plenty of other things to do instead of bumping my head against the glass ceiling and whining about there being nowhere to go.

Would you rather there not be any more xpacs so you wouldn't have to face this dilemma?
 

It seems like less of a problem with the glass ceiling and more of a problem with being unable to experience the endgame content due to his casual play-style and lack of a good guild/team willing to help him out.

I don't think he's looking for an "end" per say, but he does have aspirations of being a TRUE tank, and his current situation won't allow for it.
 

I'm on a high population server, so I've never noticed some of the problems Tobold mentions. Leveling an alt isn't too bad. There are always a lot of low levels on looking for groups. Of course no where near as many as when the game started...but the game is 3 years old, and most people who are going to play, already play and probably have reached level cap.

Heaven forbid as a prot tank or holy/resto healer you can't get a group for a regular/heroic 5 man. My shaman is resto, and it takes me all of about 10 minutes to find a group looking for a healer. Then we spend about 20 minutes looking for a tank. DPS is a dime a dozen, so having a tank and healer seems like it would be extremely easy to get a group. Of course, thats on a high population server. I'd never play on a low or medium, because of the lower number of actual players. Especially horde, since on most servers the number of horde is a fraction of alliance players. Luckily my 60 horde is a druid, so I can play any part I want...druids > warlocks in being overpowered. But I digress :)

Tobold, I would say that if the game isn't really fun, whether on your mains, or your alt, take a break. I normally play WoW for a few weeks, get burned out, and take a break. After leveling 2 toons to 70 and 1 to 60, it really does become obvious that this game is just a treadmill.

I actually just went back and grinded wintersaber trainer rep for the winterspring frostsaber. On a PvP geared frost mage, it's actually not too bad of a rep to grind, not to mention I made about 600g doing it (2 BoE epic drops :) Grinding that rep may seem stupid, but I did it for me. My little midget mage never had a tiger mount since alliance PvP is painful for getting marks, and I never could justify burning 30 marks of each BG for a tiger. And it's my favorite looking alliance-only mount. Unique, and usable at level 60-death of the game...so never obsolete.

So, do something you enjoy. If you don't have fun logging in...don't. For me, fluff is actually fun to acquire. The winterspring frostsaber is nice to have, it stands out from the BattleCat, he-man tigers every other alliance character has.

Try other games. I know you aren't a big FPS fan, but it's something different. Likely any motion sickness you get can be negated somehow...ask Google (god) and it will tell you, I'm sure of it.

But, I know where you are coming from. It's not EMO to basically step back, look at WoW, and ask yourself why you even play it. But when you do, likely the best thing is to do something else until the desire to log in hits you.
 

There are always things that just require grinding--a Frostsaber, for example. I'm actually in the middle of doing that with my level 70 (yes, I only have the one, I'm a slacker). It's not that it's any faster than other, less grindy land mounts; it's just that few people have one precisely because it's so grindy. Or there's getting something cool from the Darkmoon Faire.
 

I want to see more NON-Raid content. There are millions of people who play WoW and have no interest in Raiding and it would be great if Blizzard catered a bit more to these people.

I expect that this will the year they will need to realize that their success if built up from the masses, not the raiders and that Lich King will bring in more non-Raid LONG TERM content worth doing.
 

Gotta say I am totally onside with Tobald on this one!

PvP - Yawn!

Besides I'm a prot warrior on a RP server. Why would I wanna go PvP when I made a game choice to play on a RP server? No rewards either! Ok there is one single shield... no defense or block rating to it though!

Call them welfare epics, call them whatever you want... but every git is after them! It takes forever to get a group together these days as a result.

I don't blame folk.. after all:
--- You choose your reward (win or Lose)
--- No random crap drops for the 10th run in a row as a result
--- Lower repair bills
--- No hanging around trying to form a group
--- You don't even have to give PvP 100%
--- You can leave a battlefield whenever you want.

Sure beats:

--- Being on a run where a duplicate drop procs or no one in the party needs it.
--- Dealing with downing the boss for 15th time to get that item.
--- Full repair bills.
--- Waiting for 2 hours to form a group or hassle the crap out of the '/who class 70' population.
--- Giving it 100%, 100% of the time.
--- Feeling crappy if you have to leave a group.

The game is DEAD DEAD DEAD!

Why don't you just wake up and realise this? Most players are just rehashing the same boring content day after day!

Some of you 'above' have no fracking idea at all!

A selection of quotes:

[b]Even on my moderate server [Sargeras - EU], it's pretty damn easy for a tank to find a group for the daily heroic, even if he's unguilded. Did you manage to understand why you don't find any group ? Do you precise when you are searching on [3. LookingForGroup] that you are well geared ? Have you ever think of migrating on a well populated server ?[/b]
Why should he migrate? Bliz should fiz this mechanics mess instead. Damn easy to find a tank on your server... lucky you! So, QED, thats the case on all servers?

[b]What do we have to understand there ? You don't have the time allowed to find a raiding guild ? That ain't a Wow specific issue btw. And it's pretty easy with BC to find casual-friendly guild.[/b]
I'm afraid it is a WoW specific issue! The game mechanics dictate that you need to spend half your life playing this game to get somewhere. If it was designed from a slightly less 'dedicated' point of view... guild managment would not be so hard, getting into a 10 man raid would not be so hard. I have a real life... a very real one! Not one like your's obviously where I would have to keep an empty 2 litre diet coke bottle under the desk to piss in just in case I missed a guild request to raid.

[b]Just find two good teammates to protect you, and go go BG's.[/b]
Are you unable to read? Did you somehow miss the bit that said: [i]I'm not a big fan of PvP[/i]

[b]But there's plenty of stuff to do! level a few more alts to higher levels[/b]
Crikey... I am already a level or two off my 4th one! You shouldn't have to even level 2! This excuse just shows off the massive content holes in the game design!

[b]Even fishing can be fun and relaxing for a change![/b]
Ha ha ha ha ha ha... man my sides hurt! Because Bliz can't add game content... your suggestion is to spend a few hours fishing? Do you actually read the things you right, or do they just dribble out of your ass of their own accord?

[b]Keep your professions up to date and stock materials that should gain you some quick levels once the cap is raised.[/b]
What? Oh your serious aren't you? A player who finds there is no game content should peak a proffession and then hang around for 6 months waiting for the expansion! Is it letting out day at the institute?

And for the comment of the thread:
[b]I don't think he's looking for an "end" per say, but he does have aspirations of being a TRUE tank, and his current situation won't allow for it.[/b]
So true. I think someone understands!

The current situation wont allow it! All you brainless, moronic fanbois should go out and learn to read! I will repeat it!

[b]THE CURRENT SITUATION WONT ALLOW IT![/b]

Leave the Black Temple where it is... however, the begining step to raiding are so fracking stupid it makes me laugh.

If your a 13 year 'Richard Cranium' then you'll love the game, you'll love being a social recluse, you'll not learn how to socially deal with people and not being able to form meaningful relationships with the real world! Blizzard are breeding a bunch of future unemployed US retarded postal workers.

The games says you have to raid 4 to 5 days a week to experience content... the heroic 5 mans set you up and push you in that direction! Want to get past Kara then abandon all facets of normal life.

[b]THE CURRENT SITUATION WONT ALLOW IT![/b]

Stop pushing 'Fishing' and '[b]C[/b]arbon [b]R[/b]etaining [b]A[/b]ggregate [b]P[/b]articles' like that in the face of the casual! We demand content! Don't patronise us with crafting or fracking daily cooking quests!

Consider the game content as a sandwich:
Choose your main filling: PvE or PvP or Raiding
Then choose your condiments: Fishing (as suggested) or Crafting etc, just don't confuse main content with other things to do!

Is there any other intelligent life out there?
 

Sorry, no edits, will someone replace the [b]...[/b] for the correct usage of < >?

Some forums use [ ] some use < >. Just got sidetracked in my anger.
 

I cannot say if I agree or disagree on anything, as I'm one of the rare species of "newbie wow players", being on lv48 on my main.

But I can say one thing you generation xth 70 people seem to forget: if we newcomers do not learn to play the game before the cap, there will be no new blood to the raid party. And currently my experience is such that the people levelling alts (or 'well versed newcomers' doing what their friends having their xth lv70 are telling them to do) are only teaching to neglect the social side, abandon the 'unnecessary' grouping and soloing as fast as possible.

I'm on high pop EU server, and the situation is the same. Everytime I have time to play, I launch the LFG first and start looking for group for instances on my range. Usually I get to a couple which disband before the group even gets to the instance before actually hitting the spot. And then the group usually turns out to be the PUG from Hell with at least one ninja quitting right after getting the lot he wanted and two alt-power-levellers, who quit after the first problem without telling how to work through the mobs.

There should be more incentive for the people at cap to come back down to old content and run the instances with us noobs. The world is pretty darn empty, even though there should be millions of players world wide...

Copra

PS. LFG for everything from RFD up to ZF atm... Main and alts counted...
 

Copra: There should be more incentive for the people at cap to come back down to old content and run the instances with us noobs.

Wow! I think that is a wonderful idea!! How about an implementation like this. Have a daily dungeon quest for level 70s. But with a twist. It will be for lower level dungeons, and will nerf your "power level" down to the appropriate level. Perhaps by ignoring your gear and level, and then assign stats appropriate for the lowbie instance. The "nerf" should go away when you abandon the quest. Perhaps there is need to implement level restrictions for the party to complete these quests. What needs to be avoided is 4 level 70 taking a daily lowbie dungeon quest for deadmines, and cheesing it by running with a 5th level 70 who do not have the quest but is just running them through it. What needs to be encouraged is level 70s taking the quest, and then look for more bonafide lowbies to run the dungeon with.
 

Eldric,

First of all, you seem to reply me but I had never told you anything, I was responding to Tobold.

Now, by looking at your responses... excuse me, your insults, I'm really wondering what is exactly your point by trolling to this extreme with so bad arguments. It's not even worth replying when the guy in face of you knows better "wow design" than the developers themselves or who said that a guy who play 3 nights per week (which is exactly my case for Wow) is such an horrible jerk who has nolife at all.

You take Tobolds arguments, adding barely nothing but some insults/trolls towards gamers and US Postal agents (Wtf). Nice :)

Btw, I have replied to Tobold on his new post concerning this issue.
 

Ok, I apologise in advance if this getting boring for anyone, but I felt the need to respond. And I'm bored at work again.

Yes you were responding to Tobald. However, this is an open thread of thoughts and ideas, if you wanted a 'one to one' discussion then would it not have been better to email Tobald? If you post here, your comments are just as open to discussion as the original post.

Call it trolling if you will, I don't, maybe a little passionate... but not trolling.

Are you saying you know 'WoW Design' better than the dev's?

I had to laugh at the last comment. Report me to your hearts content. If Tobald finds my comments lacking then I'm sure he'll be the first to delete/edit them. As I'm sure he'll delete/edit any comment of yours that he finds possibly questionable. There is an expression about living in 'Glass Houses'.

Finally. You have an apperent issue with my lack of argument. I'm sorry, but it seems all your arguments come from your personal experience of the game and you pass them off as fact. Ok so you have a great guild, good server, part time real life and enjoy PvP... my mistake, I apologise as I am obviously missing something here on my server. Obviously if I address these issues I'll be past Kara by the end of the week and well on my way to the Black Temple.

My comments, like them or not, were counter discussion to yours (in part) and I believe they added to the discussion because many of the posters clearly did not understand the original post. Perhaps you should learn to read between the lines.
 

Me deleting your comments, Eldric? Only if you keep mis-spelling my name! ;) I'm not bald at all, it's Tobold.

But please all, read the terms and services linked to in the top right corner of the blog, and stop insulting each other!
 

Sorry Sir. It's genuine dyslexia. Hence the apparent typos all over the shop.

Dajay... you know what would be fun, discussing this over a pint of beer in a English pub. Thus my sincere apologies, let's not fight, get passionate yes, but not fight.

And I'll try not to call anyone Bald again.
 

I agree :)