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Tuesday, August 12, 2025
 
Think of the children and hate speech

This blog has comment moderation. It is possible that you weren't aware of that, because these days 100% of all deleted comments are spam messages advertising products unrelated to the subject matter of the blog. While readers do sometimes disagree with me or with other readers, we manage to keep the discussion civil enough to not necessitate comment moderation. That is unusual. This month the news I read, which cover a lot of gaming topics, but also general world events, had a rather high amount of stories about various forms of censorship. So I wanted to mention some of these news stories, to explain what is bothering me about them.

On BoardGameGeek two games this month, Codenames: Back to Hogwarts and Ace of Spades, have led to heated culture war discussions. And the comment moderation on that seemed to me politically biased, and sometimes unfair. On the one side one poster just remarked that he would like not to get embroiled into politics when reading a board game forum, for which he received very hateful comments demonstrating Godwin's Law, claiming that not supporting the boycott against the game was equivalent of not speaking out against Hitler in the Third Reich. With some very nasty personal attacks in that thread, it would have been something I would have moderated. On the other side, somebody made a thread which probably was meant as a joke, or a test how unpolitical you were still allowed to be on BGG. The thread simply contained short messages like "I am looking forward to this game", with no political messages and no attacks on anyone. Maybe the thread was secretly meant to "own the libs", but it formally complied with all forum rules. But with the automatically generated Hotness list on BGG pushing Codenames: Back to Hogwarts to the top, some people really couldn't stand any positive reporting about the game, so the thread saying nice things about it was deleted by moderators, and then they tried to hide that moderation action. It looked to me like a trap, with some moderator with a political bias falling right into it.

On the other political side, censorship efforts this months were mostly directed against "adult" content. Thousands of adult titles disappeared from Steam and Itch.io, apparently after a conservative group pressured payment processing companies like Mastercard, which then threatened the game platforms. At the same time, the UK Online Safety act came into force, meant to enforce age verification for adult content. That was rife with problems, from the ridiculous ways to bypass age verification by using an image from Death Stranding's photo mode, to protests that online privacy of the system wasn't guaranteed, as foreign companies that weren't subject to UK data protection laws had been hired to run the system.

What bothered me about all these stories was not that both left and right are trying to censor things they disagree with in the gaming sphere. What bothered me was the frequent use of emotional arguments designed to then censor any rational discussion of the issues. In the adult content censorship case the Think of the children argument was repeatedly used. While on the BGG forums I read the astounding argument that comments arguing against the boycott were not allowed, because they by definition constituted hate speech. In summary, if you argue against censorship from the right, you are a supporter of child rapists, while if you argue against censorship from the left, you are Nazi spouting hate speech. No debate, no compromise, no moderate position is allowed. Pointing out that your local toy store has a lot of Harry Potter merchandise is morally equivalent of going out at night with a baseball bat to kill trans people. Pointing out that the most harmless adult game removed from Steam was pretty tame and didn't involve children at all is morally equivalent of being Jeffrey Epstein.

The fake moral equivalence arguments to stifle debate are now increasingly used to justify comment "moderation" on various internet platforms. That isn't "moderation", it is downright suppression of any counter arguments. People like me, who are centrists, open to listen to arguments from both sides, and trying to find compromises, end up being persecuted by both left and right extremists. But if we can't solve conflicts by debate, what other option is there?

Comments:
Hmm. Surely, just by having comment "moderation", even if you choose not to use it, you've already implemented a process of censorship? All of the arguments around the concept seem to end up relating to where the lines should be drawn, not whether there should be any lines at all.

Personally, I've always been in favor of censorship, provided I'm either doing the censoring myself or that I'm in sympathy with whoever else is doing it. Unless you take the position that literally anything goes, I don't see how any other position can exist, except in some form of self-deluding fantasy.
 
That is exactly why I said in my post "What bothered me about all these stories was not that both left and right are trying to censor things they disagree with". Censorship / moderation to keep the debate civil is often necessary. Censorship / moderation to suppress any form of debate is harmful.
 
I hadn't heard about Steam banning adult games. That annoys me, I was pleased that they're finally becoming more mainstream and good, even though I'd only tried them very rarely. I was ready to lambaste the world for in 2025 still letting old Victorian-era American prudishness police our media. Imagine my surprise then to discover this push was led by an Australian activist group Collective Shout. I'd like to think that VISA and Mastercard are sufficiently multinational nowadays to not bow down to these pressures, but I guess there are other bastions of holier-than-thou morality still in the world.
 
These mentalities have permeated every aspect of online culture. In gaming everything is either the greatest thing ever or utter dogshit. That game is a 7/10? It is mid trash and your stupid/shill/fanboy/woke/anti-woke if you enjoyed playing it.

Same thing with movies and tv shows.

Now I think these mentalities have always existed, but I feel they are more and more becoming the norm of most online discussions. Dare to say you enjoyed Dragon Age Veilguard on a gaming sub? Downvoted to oblivion on Reddit and maybe even get a Reddit Cares messages in you inbox.

The topic about the Visa/Mastercard censorship for example. When you actually dig into the situation you'll see one of the reasons these processors are quick to address adult content is because adult content is often a source of profit loss for them due to high amounts of charge backs and illegal activity. But god forbid you mention that in a conversation online because even if you also say you disagree with the censorship efforts you get lumped in as an Christian fundamentalist trying to control everyone.
 
@Bigeye I hear you. Funnily in all those boycott Rowling threads, you aren’t even allowed to say what she actually did, beyond saying that she is harming trans people. The truth, which is a lot more complicated, is that she suported and won a legal battle in the Supreme Court of Scotland, where the judges stated that previous laws that gave rights to women often did so with an intent based on biologal differences, and thus only applied to biological women. Rowling is a lot more pro-feminist and anti-men than anti-trans.
 
It's (neo)marxist rhetoric and the issue is by design:
- binary: good (the oppressed) and bad (the oppressors)
- no neutral or uninvolved: everyone who doesn't agree is supporting the bad
- not winning is the other side winning
- the ultimate struggle where only victory counts, so everything goes

It is easy to set up. You are the oppressed, you are by definition right and cannot be wrong. Arguments against your view must be the oppressors and are by definition wrong. Compromises are not winning. Thus they are wrong and undesired.

The core ideas usually revolve around a generally agreeable topic, be it woman's rights, minorities, racism. That is the higher goal which is under attack when someone argues against the goalposts that are moved for whatever minor detail that is being discussed.

The entire structure is designed to allow for as much freedom as possible for the oppressed to while curtailing everything for those who are not with them. Thus you are free to shout down, censor and ban - if you don't then you are clearly against the higher goal and with the oppressors. Then you are free game.

The goal never is to exchange ideas, to find a compromise, to improve. It's winning.
 
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