Tobold's Blog
Friday, February 24, 2006
 
Not quite a liberal

I laughed about an offensive joke today. [If you are easily offended, you might want to stop reading here.] It said "Argueing on the internet is like participating in the special olympics: Even if you win, you are still a retard." I mentioned that I found that joke funny, and immediately got a response telling me that the joke was offensive to our less fortunate mentally handicapped fellow humans. In situations like these, and for example my comments on the gay-friendly WoW guild, some people obviously think I'm a right-wing nutter.

On the other hand I also get attacked for example for defending the European welfare state, or worker's rights. I never mentioned it, but I'm also pro-choice, anti-gun, anti death penalty, and for the right of homosexual partnerships to be legally equivalent to heterosexual marriages (although I would prefer if they wouldn't call it "gay marriage"). So conservatives would probably call me a liberal, or even a commie.

In short, I'm a bit lost in the culture wars, standing somewhere in the middle. Of course a joke about special olympics, or a teenager calling something "gay" is offensive, that is the point of saying it. A totally non-offensive joke wouldn't be funny, and using offensive language to explore social boundaries is a normal part of growing up. Trying to ban everything which is offensive to anybody from the common language is bound to fail, as you could observe over the "happy holidays" debacle.

Calling somebody argueing on the internet a "retard" might be offensive to mentally handicapped people, all mentally handicapped people I know are a *lot* nicer than the average internet forum user. But it doesn't harm the mentally handicapped people much, as they are unlikely to even see that joke. I find current politically correct attitudes sometimes a lot more discriminating and harmful than that joke. For example the current spat over an arab company wanting to buy the facilities of 6 US harbors, where both Democrats and Republicans basically argue that all arabs are terrorists, has a much bigger negative effect than some offensive language in a WoW chat channel.

The culture war also negatively affects the ability of people to come to a compromise. For example I believe both in evolution and in that God created the world. When the bible says he created the world in 7 days, you simply shouldn't take that as the literal truth, God's days during creation were a couple of million years long. So for a christian conservative I'm a blasphemer, and for a die-hard atheist I'm in religious denial of scientific facts. But in fact religion and science are in no way in disagreement with each other, religion by definition looks at the ultimate causes *beyond* what can be explained by science.

Unfortunately it gets more and more difficult to have any opinion on anything, without being classified into some corner. But the good news is that this culture war is perpetrated by a small vocal minority. The large rest of us can laugh about Will & Grace without either worrying that showing homosexuals on TV will corrupt our youth, or that laughing about them might be homophobic.
Comments:
Retard retard retard retard retard retard retard retard.

There, I said it.

People need to lighten up a little. But, then again, with so much free time on their hands, most people need something to fill the long hours, so why not fill it with some righteous indignation over a bunch of bullshit.

As for evolution, God created me from a can of tuna and a cup of bile. I can prove it empirically.
 
I find politically correct people offensive.

"He who takes offense when none is intended is a fool. He who takes offense when offense is intended, is a fool."
- Identifying the person quoted would tell more about me than I feel like sharing in this venue.
 
To Tobold: Nice post! :)

To L'Emmerdeur: I want to see your empirical proof.

To bughunter: I find you offensive. Fah fah fah!
 
Yes, I was the one who said that the special olympics pic was offensive. Why did I say it? Well, I'm ashamed to say that I once laughed (well at least chuckled at it) too. It was back in the Daoc days and the pic was posted on one of the Euro forums. Back then there was a mod that I atm can't remember the name of who started editing and locking posts such as those. She explained this (in much better wording than mine) basically with that the people shown in such pics have no chance at all to defend themselves against such things.

That's basically what made me see such a thing in a better light. I guess in my teens/twenties I never even would have seen it at all and would have kept on laughing at such pics. I know I thought for a few minutes about whether I should post anything at all regarding your post about it. What finally made me post was my thinking back to those Daoc days and that incident above. If such a thing could actually turn me around, then maybe, just maybe, someone else reading my post would think twice the next time they saw such a pic. I guess I must have made at least some imprint since it gets mentioned here. ;)

Oh, and don't think that I'm some stiff that can't laugh at funny pics. There was a pic in the same thread I think it was with a guy with a tinfoil hat for example which certainly made me smile. :)

I do agree though that political correctness and such can go too far in some cases. Here in Sweden for example you can almost not even wave the Swedish flag without being accused of being a racist. Well I guess it hasn't come to that yet but it certainly doesn't seem far off.
 
Oh, and if it wasn't clear from my bost above, I certainly didn't mean my original post as an attack against you or anybody else. Since I've been there myself I can see why it could be interpreted as funny.
 
MagrothJ, I respect your position. I just think that offensiveness has a certain valid place in communication. Sometimes you just want to call somebody an idiot, without any offence being meant to mentally handicapped people.

And flag waving is okay too, unless of course it is a *Danish* flag. :)
 
I used to be a Liberal, until I realized I was really just a "Libertarian" (anti-facist) - and it was at that point I became a Conservative. Back in the 1960's Liberals were as much about freedom at home as they were about freedom abroad (JFK & LBJ & Viet Nam for example) - nowadays they use the excuse that "Things aren't perfect at home" to make an excuse for isolationism and ignoring rampant abuse of human rights all over the world by the likes of Islamic Fascists and Chinese Communists. We may not be perfect but we're sure as f*ck a LOT better than those ass-wipes.

You gotta pick your battles I guess. Call me crazy but I worry more about the Muslim sawing a living breathing man's head off on video camera because he's an "Infidel" than I do about Earl up the street who has a gun rack in his pick up truck and is going to vote against gay marriage. At least Earl will get off his ass and put said-ass on the front lines of battle to actually fight for democracy freedom when Mohammad and his lunatic buddies decide they'll kill 3000 men, women, and children after spending an evening at the strip club because they think it will get their dumb-asses into heaven.

Well there's my rant for the day! I'm now officially a retard. Back to work!

Oh and here's another funny take on politics on the internet if you haven't seen it:

http://files.redvsblue.com/NYC2/RvB_NYC2.mov
 
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