Tobold's Blog
Tuesday, June 13, 2006
 
Guild = Raiding ?

Sad post with an interesting question on Mystic Worlds. Quote:
Some of the posts were a bit insulting. Especially those that asked why anyone who didn't want to raid wanted to be in the guild. I'm not sure when the two became the same thing. Or why so many guilds are electing to place such a narrow focus on guild activity - end game or nothing.
Good question, is raiding the only viable purpose of a guild? Unfortunately lots of guilds are behaving in a similar way. Helping newbies? No way! Your value to the guild is measured in the rarity of your character class and the amount of your DKP points.

I think it is all a consequence of the majority of players now having reached level 60 and being stuck there. I remember guilds being a lot friendlier, and more helpful, when we all were still advancing together. Some months ago I talked about epic corruption, and I see it spreading.

My hope is that everybody lightens up a bit when the expansion comes out and we are all back to the happier times of leveling. Worst case scenario is that this won't last long, and quickly people will be back into a new raid grind, just 10 levels higher. Best case scenario is that the current raid content serves as a training ground for raiding, with places like Molten Core becoming a less serious, but still interesting, playground for level 70 players. But what do we do until then?
Comments:
Worst case scenario is that this won't last long, and quickly people will be back into a new raid grind, just 10 levels higher.

And so will be it. Knowing and seeing the topend epic stuff from the day BC launches, will kill any chance of lightened up days. I highly doubt, that Blizzard will made something different for the leveling in BC and i doubt that they plan BC progression different than todays. I bet there will be no instance, where the average Joe meets Jim hardcore.

This player base is shaped, it is what it is and it will not change without a reason. Sure MC content will lose it seriousness, but the new MC II. and MC III. will be the new drama sources. When i learned something from WoW, than that you can not trust the game to shape its players anymore, those days are gone. Sure Blizzard can turn anyone into a raider, but they can not teach the crapholes to be nice people to play with.

I lost faith in the majority of WoWs community, but there still little jewels of guilds, with cool people to play with. There just hard to find, and i hope those will the expansions winners, so to speak. Its a new kind of MMO community and i do not like it really much, but many other do.
 
Heck no - a guild is for fun and assistance! Our guild does plenty of raiding, but we like to have guild events that have nothing to with raiding instances - it's all about having fun. It's a game after all.
 
WoW has redefined alot of things. One of those being guilds as the stepping stones to getting epic gears. The game design encourges such behaviour with its 40 man instances and mostly solo-able contents pre-60.

If there are 2 things I miss from EQ, they are guild loyalty and maturity. If you mention these 2 things on WoW, most will /rofl at you. =P

Wargik
 
heh, i remember a guildmate called what you call 'epic corruption' by another name: 'purple fever'

--alcaras
 
Some friends and I started our first guild a few months after wow started, it was great fun. We sorted a forum a team speak server to use for chatting to each other and played a lot with each other. We slowly expanded and when we all started hitting 60 I'd say we had about 20 really close friends all ready to start raiding, which we thought was the next logical step.

We needed more players so merged with another similar sized guild. All was great again and we eventually started MC about a month later. We did well and within about 3 months of casually hitting MC a couple of times a week we were at domo.

Unfortunately the guild had totally changed. Half were unhappy about how hardcore and unfun the guild had become, Half unhappy at how we'd taken so long to get to domo. After much deliberating I just quit, left the server (Hellscream EU) and rerolled this time alliance. Most of my real friends and good people who play the game for entertainment have come over with me and it has breathed new life into wow for me.

If it all gets to much re - roll on a brand new server and look for like minded players, there are plenty out there who dont play wow to screw others over.
 
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