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Saturday, February 10, 2007
 
Burning Crusade longevity

My main character, the undead priest, did all the quest of Hellfire Peninsula, then moved to Zangarmarsh and is now close to having done all the quests there. Then I’ll move to the next zone, Terokkar Forest, and do all the quests there, and so on. Mixed in between the quests are all the guild groups to instances I can get an invite for. So I’ve already seen the first two instances of Hellfire Citadel, Coilfang Reservoir, and Auchindoun, and the first Caverns of Time instance.

The result of all that is that my level is advancing faster than the level of the quests I’m doing. The quests I’m doing now are two levels below my level. This has the advantage that I could solo some of the quests that were marked as “group". But from an efficiency point of view this is probably not the best way, I would gain more xp and better quest rewards if I skipped some quests and moved directly to the quests of my level. So why am I playing the Burning Crusade in this systematic but inefficient way? Because my goal is not to level up the fastest, but to see everything. I’m an explorer, more than an achiever. Having more quests than absolutely necessary is a plus.

Of course by defining my goals for the Burning Crusade, I’m also defining the point where I have “finished” Outland: It will be when I have done practically all the quests and visited all the dungeons. Not necessarily vanquished the last raid dungeon, but at least visited it and experienced how it is working. For comparison, I consider that I have “finished” Blackwing Lair, because I got up to Nefarion, even if I never killed him. So at the current rate of about 2 weeks per Outland zone, I’ll be done sometime in April with all the quests and 5-man instances.

That doesn’t mean I couldn’t play World of Warcraft after April. There will be raids for months to come. I could level up my warrior from currently 61 to 70, playing the same content again with a different character. Or I could play my blood elf mage, currently level 10. But while these modes of play are all certainly possible, they would all imply a certain degree of repetition. Repetitively visiting the same raid dungeon until we master it, repeating the Outland quests and dungeon with another character, repeating old world content with the mage after level 20. I could still achieve lots of things, but the exploration value of that will be lower.

Now it just happens that end of April the Lord of the Rings Online will be released. And I will have to take a decision then, of which I’m not quite sure right now which way it will go. One option would be to stop playing WoW and play LotRO instead. LotRO wouldn’t have to be better than WoW, as long as it is good enough the big advantage of switching would be to open up tons of new content to explore. The other extreme option would be to keep playing WoW and not play LotRO at all until I get totally tired of WoW. And then there are intermediate solutions, where for example I play LotRO solo, but still log into WoW on some evenings to participate in guild raids. How the decision will end up depends on many things, how much “fun” World of Warcraft subjectively still is to me then, and how things are going with my guild and raid organization (which isn’t a trivial problem).

So please keep in mind that this is not a “World of Warcraft blog”. Technically I’m calling it a “MMORPG blog”, for which me starting to talk a lot about LotRO would fully qualify. Even more honestly this is the “blog about whatever Tobold is playing at the moment”. That usually *is* a MMORPG, but I’ve written about other types of games as well. And as long as which game to play is my biggest problem in life, I’m considering myself to be a very lucky guy.
Comments:
Are you trying to gently prepare us for a big change Tobie? This is not the first post you have made pointing out that the blog isn't just about WOW. As someone who quit WOW almost a year ago (I used to comment under the name of Sane Mike) I don't mind a bit if you choose to play another game, I'll still keep reading. It really is beginning to feel like LOTRO will be the next big thing. Beta-reviewers like yourself have very positive things to say and the release is timed to perfection - just when people will start to get bored of the Burning Crusade.
 
just finished zangarmarsh and dinged 66 myself..

i was thinking to skip a few zones and get into blade edge mountains so i can group up with guildies again who had some more time on their hands.... but maybe i'll just do it the easy way;)

...and i guess i could pick up some better rewards earlier as well..
 
So, this is not a "World of Warcraft" blog but a "MMORPG blog. And you are an explorer.

Why not try Vanguard. If this is really a MMORPG blorg you need at least look into VSoH.
 
I think you should try Dreamlords, or at least tell us what you think of the idea. Your input interests me.
 
Gregor - Tobold has been writing about Vanguard for some time. Sadly, he wasn't very impressed.
 
He played the game? Or only followed blindly the opinions (and prejudices) more convenient to him?

So, Tobold is not very impreseed with a game he DON'T played. I see...

For some strange reason, a lot of players that tryed it, including bloggers (MMO bloggers, including some bloggers from WoW), see that is is a good game and like it. And the game now have a ranking of 8.2 at MMORPG.com

Why? Maybe be because it is a good game?

And with all bugs and launched before time, who play it find it is a good game?

Maybe the opinion from who DON'T PLAYED VSoH be only a prejudice.

But as Tobold said this is a MMO blog. A MMO blog that will not test a MMORPG because he have a prejudice against a game he never played... I see.
 
Oh Geregor... that's hilarious.

Here you are ripping on Tobold for critiquing something he doesn't know about... when he does know about it! He's played VSoH.

So, where's the ignorant prejudice coming from?

BTW, have you played VSoH?
 
LOL @ Geregor...

We have all played Vanguard, and with very little exception, most consider it a very badly designed and implimented game.

Tolbold is well documented in many posts, as are many of us that we have played vanguard extensivly, and our views on it.

If you like it, excellent, we would love to hear your opionons on the game, but don't post like a moron, accusing a well respected blogger and member of the MMORPG community because his views don't align with your own.
 
He played the game? Or only followed blindly the opinions (and prejudices) more convenient to him?

With very little effort you could have found my posts stating that I did play the Vanguard beta. I even listed the good parts (diplomacy mainly), and said that the game had great potential, spoilt by having been released far too early. Sigil had a great opportunity here, and they dropped the ball. A couple of diehart fanbois flaming every blog that isn't willing to overlook the glaring flaws of this game isn't going to change that.
 
You keep writing interesting posts, I'll keep reading them. Deal? I couldn't care less whether they're WoW-oriented or not.
 
I'm already finding myself bored of Burning Crusade, and I was looking forward to it as long as anyone... and I'm only 64. It's just more of the same, and I've quickly seen through the thinly veiled grinds that await me at 70 all over again. Just because they're "easier" won't make them fun. Come March 30th (pre-order access for LotRO), I'll likely say bye to WoW for a good long while. I'd love to see Tobold delve into that game... it just seems to offer so much more than WoW, even if it plays fundamentally the same.
 
A friend convinced me to come back to WoW to try out the expansion, and I've been enjoying it. I'm playing more casually than I ever have, my friend and I quest when we're both on and if only one of us happens to be on we work on either exploring the map or our crafting. Barely hit 63, in Zangermarsh, my quest log is literally maxed out.

I've seen the first 2 Hellfire Citadel instances and finished each of those quests. Replaced a couple of epics with new rares. My personality still makes me want to grind through and get the best gear the game has to offer and see all the high end instances, but I'm consciously not doing that and it's helping me to have fun. Not sure what the heck I'll do at 70, but for now I'm getting what I want out of WoW
 
I just finished my first Shadow Labs run last night and I still have a ton of 5 man instance content to do. Plus because I did so many instances my guy hit 70 before going to Blade's Edge, Netherstorm, or Shadowmoon. Now I find myself questing to earn my epic flying mount since each quest results in about 18-25gp. It's pretty fun and I can see the Burning Crusade keeping me interested until July or August.
 
I would keep doing the quests in order, because the money is still good. Every gold from an easy quest is gold you don't have to farm for that epic flying mount. :)


And BTW, flying is awesome, it changes the game completely.
 
I still feel there is a lot to do in tBC to keep me playing for a while, my only gripe is a lot of it consists of the repetitiveness you've mentioned.
 
For what its worth, I hardly go into WoW anymore now a days. I just find the gameplay to be the same. Don't get me wrong, its a beautifully executed game, but BC did not evolve WoW at all.

I find myself playing quite a bit of EQ2. And yes, I did go out and get Vanguard simply because I'm curious to see how this one evolves while I play.

Tobold, I suggest you pick Vanguard up and play it. If anything, seeing how this thing will change over time is great for us bloggers.

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